|
Things you can do
Things you can read
They say there's a book inside everybody. Let the book out with Admanya blogs. Vent your feelings about anything that pops into your head. It might be rocket science or your neighbour's cat. Start now! Its easy and fun! Blog Muslims call it marriage. I call it rapePosted by bigman on 21 August 2011 READ: 863 
This is the story of Muhammad's marriage with Safiyah,
Safiyah was a beautiful 17 years old Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad's troops raided Kheibar. She was the daughter or Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina , whom Muhammad had beheaded two years earlier along with the men of Banu Quriaza. The tribe of Banu Nadir had been already banished from Medina and their properties were confiscated. Safiyah had married her cousin Kinana, who was a young Jewish leader of Kheibar. When Muhammad raided that fortress, he killed its unarmed men and captured the rest. A Jewish traitor, (reminds me of Noam Chomsky) to gain Muhammad's favor and be spared from death, told him that Kinana was the treasurer of the town and that he used to hide the money in some ruins. Muhammad ordered Kinana to be tortured to reveal the whereabouts of the treasures and killed him. Then he asked the prettiest woman from amongst that captives to be brought to him. Ibn Ishaq writes: "The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went. Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself. The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims. Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way. Safiya's female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads. When the apostle of AllÃh observed this scene, he said, 'Remove these she devils from me.' But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her. So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own. The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, 'Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?' Safiyah was taken to Muhammad's tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn, Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766) The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night. Muslims call this marriage. I call that rape. I am certain not many young women would like to jump into bed with an old man who happens to be the murderer of their father and husband and many other relatives. That poor woman had no choice; therefore that marriage was nothing but a mockery of this sacred institution. At that time Muhammad was close to sixty years old.
Comments (94) cosmicbomber wrote on 21 August, 2011
@Bigman, this may be your own view and I don't know what objective it serves to post in a public forum other than flaring tension and hatred? I don't agree with many things in Islam but we should talk only about relevant things that affect people and their rights rather than what Mohammed did in his personal life 1400 years ago! I really don't care whether he married or raped.
Gandhiji, the father of our nation as he is called now, performed a series of very "pervert" experiments with nude young women and some of his female relatives but people is primarily concerned with his leadership of the non-violent movement. Also, these facts about Mohammed may not be true or may be partially true as it is not documented vividly by some independent observers or groups. Many people, specially non-Hindus may call the marriage of Draupadi with Pacha Pandavas as "sexual orgy", what would you say in defence? cosmicbomber wrote on 21 August, 2011
If you really want to debate Islam or any religion for the matter, please come discuss the evils, shortcomings and the scope of reforms rather than mud slinging and personal attacks. What kind of moral supremacy prima facie one can attribute to Yudhisthira for example who bet on his wife (not solely his, shared by his 5 brothers as well) for a gambling match?
Vani wrote on 21 August, 2011
I strongly support CB, this is almost hate speech specially the way it is presented even it may have some truth. Bigman, can we have something better from you as we expect in Admanya? I will be waiting :)
bigman wrote on 21 August, 2011
CB what makes you think that i would defend Draupadi's lust? i would like to ask a question to you and all others of your mentality. Was Islam established on basis of authenticity of other religions? certainly not. your comments have only hurt those who give a damn about hinduism. This is the first thing the apologists of Islam do, show other religions down as if it proves the morality of Islam. I pity your immature thinking.
bigman wrote on 21 August, 2011
You people are so keen on posting comments against my views as always. I appreciate it. You have done a fabulous job defending muslims. you have just been honest and sincere in defending what you think of as correct. I don't have a problem with that. But why dont you try to dig out the truth. Go ask an imam for the original copy of islamic hadiths and sirat. no matter how much they try to moderate it they cant hide the content.
cosmicbomber wrote on 22 August, 2011
Bigman, I am not defending anybody but at the same time we are not going anywhere by directly attacking Mohammed because it will just harden the divide. I have always written about the need to reform Islam and other religions in the light of modern society which should be totally human centric. So, I just wanted to tell you that you better be objective and deal with something that we can change, you can't undo Mohammed's marriage, can you?
DannyM wrote on 23 August, 2011
Bigman@ I fully agree with the views you have expressed in your article.I would request you to go through various articles published by Dr Radhyashyam Bramhacjai an eminent Physicist on Hazarat Muhammad and Islam. Dr Bramhachari has studied the Koran vividly and raised various issues which are relevant.It is proved that Islam is not a religion of peace. The lifestyle of Hazarat Muhammad was horrible and full of contradictions. He himself got married many a time but his diktat was that a muslim is authorised to have maximum four wives concurrently in their stable. There are lots of anomalies in the Islam. Particularly lots of activities of Hazarat Muhammad were highly unacceptable. He had killed lots people, his intolerance towards other religions, his instructions of punishing non muslims clearly prove that there is an inherent violence in Islam. He had committed genocide. His impact on the muslims are so prominant that now a days there is rampant in fighting within muslims everywhere.
Ranger wrote on 23 August, 2011
Very much heart breaking.
bigman wrote on 24 August, 2011
Dear COSMICBOMBER, If attacking muhammad will harden the divide, so be it. can we compromise with human dignity to unite with the muslims? they call for the death of kafirs, and Why should i be tolerant with a religion which calls for my death? Would you be? you should notice that I am not making allegations against muslims rather it's against the doctrine to which muslims are the primary victims. I have sympathy for muslims because i pity them for having fallen for the biggest lie in the history of mankind. They in-turn make others the secondary victims by mere living up to each word of Quran. I want to rescue my Muslim brothers and Sisters from this cob web of lies. thats my objective.
Khair wrote on 29 November, 2011
To DANNYM and BIGMAN, I say have a life mate! What purpose do you seek to achieve with such bigoted and vulgar attacks? If this is your raison d'etre then let me tell you there are some sites which specialise in such types of mud-slinging against Islam and Muslims. Why don't you go there? I am sure your talents would be more appreciated by those of your own ilk there. Why pollute Admanya?
bigman wrote on 02 December, 2011
Dear Khair, let me answer your question. What muhammad did to that girl is vulgar and i have just spread the word. Of course I am attacking Islam and the purpose that i seek is an Islam free world. I want to leave behind a safer world for my generations to come. It is important to highlight muhammads deeds because emulating muhammad is muhammadanism (Islam). Thus 1.4 billion muslims X 1 muhammad = 1.4 billion muhammads in terms of following his actions. If muhammad has done something questionable it better be highlighted. Mulsims think that Muhammad was the only perfect man and what he did was right and should be an icon to be followed by all people of all times. A muslim finds high morale in killing an innocent as he seeks his morale from the "actions of muhammad". This following of muhammads actions is termed as "S U N N A H". Thus every muslim man is a miniature muhammad. Get back to me if you need more enlightenment.
Khair wrote on 15 December, 2011
You are entitled to do what you wish within the bounds of decency and law. I won't try to stop you from your natural inclinations as they tell us more about you than what subject you talk about. So go for it!
But little BIGMAN, many others have tried before you. That attempts to debunk Islam by spreading vitriol and lies have been spectacular failures, is proven by the simple fact of numbers. Just look at the numbers and spread and ask yourself how do you expect it to work than people with more grey cells than yours have failed? One thing is certain - hate and abuse cannot achieve anything for you. If you really want to do this, do some studies and engage in an intellectual way. Ranger wrote on 15 December, 2011
Well said, Khair.
bigman wrote on 25 December, 2011
The 'fact of numbers' only proves how many stupid and ignorant people are existing along side normal humans and the number is overwhelming. Islam owes it's success to systematic silencing of critics by threatening or butchering them. Muhammad himself ordered his men to kill a mother of five kids just because she wrote poems criticizing him. ( Ranger might not believe it).
Now here is a mighty platform called internet where anybody can share his views and get out clean, unharmed. Before you claim the victory of Islam over its critics, will u please explain why Islamic countries have banned websites critical of Islam? the reason is it might trigger reasoning amongst muslims. bigman wrote on 25 December, 2011
If Ranger would ever run a website he would certainly like to ban members talking against Islam. Why not? it might one day get him a ticket to contest elections from a muslim dominated area. And then he wont need to run the whacky website to make a living. Isn't it a great idea Mr. Ranger?
Vani wrote on 25 December, 2011
Mr. Bigman, if you are free to express your idea why do you want to restrict Mr. Ranger? Why this double standard from a brave man? :)
Khair wrote on 29 December, 2011
@BIGMAN, here are some retorts to your lines:
You said: "The 'fact of numbers' only proves how many stupid and ignorant people are existing along side normal humans and the number is overwhelming." Reply: We are seeing it every day here. One only has to read a couple of your posts to realise the veracity of "how many stupid and ignorant people are existing along side normal humans" You said: "Muhammad himself ordered his men to kill a mother of five kids just because she wrote poems criticizing him. ( Ranger might not believe it)" Reply: You will believe anything to whet your bigoted appetite but that is your wish. Why do you want others to believe as you do? You said: "Now here is a mighty platform called internet where anybody can share his views" Reply: .. including bigoted ones too more ... Khair wrote on 29 December, 2011
contd ...
You said: "Before you claim the victory of Islam ..." Reply: Who claimed that here? The point was to advise YOU that if your mission is to debunk Islam you are better off trying to engage in an intellectual way as methods such as yours had been tried and failed. bigman wrote on 31 December, 2011
Dear Khair, a while ago i was reading your comments with deep insight on education system and it's challenges, on one of my own blogs. I was impressed with your brave approach towards making dumb people like me understand the things unseen by us and unknown to us. I saw your comments asking BLACKROSE not to get emotional and not to have prejudice. You maintained your civility and sanity trying to keep the readers focussed on the subject of the blog. Kudos to you. But what happened to you on this blog? I would let the readers count the number of times you have called me a BIGOT.
I want to give my thoughts on your above comments: Dear Khair, your name suggests that you are a muslim. Are you? I don't know. I called Muslims ignorant and stupid. If you are hurt, then me take this opportunity to apologize to you. However, I sincerely believe that there is nothing wrong in being stupid and ignorant. you have redirected my comments on me indicating that I am Stupid and Ignorant..... bigman wrote on 31 December, 2011
....... I would love to know that I am stupid and ignorant because that gives me an opportunity to learn and to evolve. And this can happen only if I let people criticize me. So my fundamental question is that when are muslims going to let the world criticize their ideology?
bigman wrote on 31 December, 2011
I really want Islam to evolve from it's prejudices. You asked me in the above comment
" You will believe anything to whet your bigoted appetite but that is your wish. Why do you want others to believe as you do? " what would you say if i ask the same question to the prophet of Islam? why does he want others to believe in what only he has experienced/believed? but what must apply to me must also apply to all, isn't it Khair? Khair wrote on 31 December, 2011
@BIGMAN, I am not here to argue about Islam, particularly when your premise is rooted in bigotry rather than a sincere intellectual attempt at understanding. There are literally thousands of forums in most major languages of the world where Islam is discussed on a regular basis, and if your desire were to enlighten yourself you would have gone there.
What I have sought to do here is to expose your narrow-minded, and contradictory utterings originating from your insatiable appetite for prejudices and a mindset full of bigotry. This becomes evident even from something as simple as how you attempt to answer criticism directed at your writings. Your inclination is to try to identify people rather than focus on their arguments. Thus, for you it is critical to know whether your opposition is a black, Chinese, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Punjabi, tribal, female, Congressite, communist, and so on and so forth. The least important thing for you is to see the main point of the argument. bigman wrote on 31 December, 2011
If you are not here to argue on the topic of the blog then you perhaps have no right to lay rules on how the presentation should be, whether bigoted or intellectual. And if you want to expose my lies as you claimed in the above comment, then address my accusations on Islam and my concerns as mentioned in my comments rather than personal attacks such as calling me a bigot / narrow minded / prejudiced.
bigman wrote on 31 December, 2011
And will you please explain what you mean by " sincere intellectual attempt at understanding " ? What's so intellectual about Islam? will you please enlighten the forum and shut my mouth up?
Khair wrote on 01 January, 2012
@BIGMAN your very topic has a bigoted title and almost every other line in it. I would rather talk about what a bigot is and how you would recognise one. Here is one definition of a bigot:-
"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing sex, race, ethnicity, religious beliefs or spirituality, nationality, language, inter-regional prejudice, gender and/or sexual orientation, age, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views." You demonstrate all the features in the definition adequately and often enough to leave any doubt that the term applies to you. As to the question in your second part, see there you are, you have proven it yet again! bigman wrote on 05 January, 2012
Hello Mr Khair. Do you know about other wives of Muhammad the rapist? I am thinking of enlightening the forum about the pedophile prophets yet another sex adventure with Safiya the coptic christian slave girl (in Hafsa's house) and subsequent revelation of Quranic surahs to cover his shameful acts in the name of Allah.
But this time for a change I would request you to publish the story as per Hadiths. Let us see how you bring justice to the true story behind it. I will present my arguments later. Don't you think it's a fair chance for you to prevent misinterpretations from bgots like me? cosmicbomber wrote on 05 January, 2012
@ bigman, by writing these inflamed and distasteful comments you are actually giving a lot of ammunition to other parties to attack Hinduism and Hindu gods and goddesses. One can get some idea about your own frustrations when you are continuously obsessed with one single aspect of Muhammad's life and that is his personal life (and more precisely his sex life). There were many men in history in every religion and culture who have married to underage girls, if you even trace your family tree you will find that your own great grandfathers would have probably labelled as pedophiles because getting girls married off at 11 or 12 years were very much common in Hindu social traditions even a century back.
cosmicbomber wrote on 05 January, 2012
@ BIGMAN, I am sorry to say that your ideas and thoughts are very much similar to that of Al Qayeda and their supporters. A lot of refinement is required in you if you really want to counter the negative side of Islam.
bigman wrote on 06 January, 2012
Finally comes CB as devil's advocate and for a much needed rescue of Khair who was exhausted trying to shut my mouth up. Dear CB, there is nothing new in your above comments. Please go through my previous comments to find my reply.
NOTE: there is correction to my previous comment. It's Maria the coptic slave and not Safiya. Khair wrote on 13 February, 2012
@BIGMAN, seems like you are the one who is exhausted here - more precisely exhausted in the head. I can understand you not engaging with the issues I raised ON YOUR UTTERANCES, but you don't even respond to the quite valid questions from COSMICBOMBER. Note that the points COSMICBOMBER raised goes to the very core of your approach, that is, by resorting to bigotry you only invite others to respond in kind. Fortunately, there are only a few of your kind on this forum or we would be seeing this forum degenerating into a bigoted mud slinging one, where the mud is slung not on each other but on the people they revere.
So keep going if that makes you happy because by doing so you will be telling us more about yourself not about the people you hate. I won't give you the satisfaction of making bigoted comments about people you and thousands respect. On the other hand, if you want to engage in an intellectual debate, I'm happy to take you on any day. Start another blog if you wish. bigman wrote on 24 February, 2012
KHAIR@ have you ever noticed that the name MU'HAM'MAD has " HAM " in the middle? isn't there a devine indication for all humanity in it? what do you say. Lol:)
Vani wrote on 24 February, 2012
@ DEAR ADMANYACS, PLEASE IGNORE BIGMAN AS HE IS NOT WORTH OF ANY RESPONSE. HE HAS RESORTED TO ABUSIVE LANGUAGES SINCE QUITE SOMETIME. I HOPE ADMANYA SHOULD INITIATE ACTION AGAINST THIS GUY FOR POLLUTING THE SPACE WITH HATRED AND IGNORANCE. VANI.
bigman wrote on 25 February, 2012
Jesus christ had a tough time preaching his doctrine with the majority jews in middle east, Budhdha had the same experience with hindu majority India and so was the situation for every prophet of every religion at different times. They all had to go through tough times but none took the non believers as a fair game. None but muhammad, built armies to destroy those who opposed their ideologies. Do prophets murder and abduct people for ransom? it's inconceivable to a non muslim.
Khair wrote on 27 February, 2012
@VANI, you are right! I think the problem with him could be a birt-related issue. Surely, there must be a policy there to deal with such people! Can't Admanya warn him? Three strikes and then ban him for good, how about that?
Blackrose wrote on 28 February, 2012
Bigman@With reference to your remark dated 25/2 , I would like to say something which would help you to clear your doubts.
In Koran, the entire population of the world is divided into two. 1) Allha's party( Hijb-e-Allha) and 2) Satan's party( Hijbul Satan). In the later are lumped together all those who are nit muslims.The Koran considers them a separate entity. And all sorts of atrocities, tortures are recommended for this group. I was reading a report published in the Bengali States man of last Saturday. A report was published on one incident that took place at Bangladesh a few day's back. There were communal tension. There was a procession going on on the occasion of the birth day celebration of Baba Loknath( A spiritual leader, having lots of followers). His birth place is Bardi. That procession was going on where music were played along with drums. Islam does not permit any music that should be played near a mosque by " Kafirs". Accordingly objection was .. cont.. Blackrose wrote on 28 February, 2012
cont.. from a mosque which was not nearby. Then there was heated exchange of talks. Suddenly some people from that mosque came out and accused that some stones were thrown at the mosque from the procession. They had disrupted the procession, chased the devotees, some of them were severely beaten, shops were looted, houses of the minorities were ransacked. THe devotees of Loaknath had also apologized, though they did not have any faults. A tripartite talk was also organized by the local administration, but the people of the mosque denied to participate. Later the police found that the entire episode was pre planned. A person was arrested, who had confessed that before the day of the procession, a moulavi from that mosque had dragged him out of his house at midnight and ordered him to break some portions of that mosque. Which was later claimed as broken by throwing stones by the mob of that procession.later on that moulavi also got arrested.According to the local administration..Cont..
Blackrose wrote on 28 February, 2012
cont.. the entire episode was pre planned to terrorist the minorities and to divert the attention of the govt.The govt under Hashin has now started prosecution of some criminals who were guilty of mass murder and genocide during 1972 war.Some of them were high officials of Khalida Zia's ministry, had actively helped the the Pakistani army to carry on brutal torture on the minorities of East Pakistan and the Mukti jodhas.So the followers of these groups are trying to disrupt the proceedings. At first a military coup was planned to throw out Hasina and then communal disturbances have been started.
If the trials are completed successfully, then the world would definitely come to know of some beasts, who are not less ferocious than Hitler. Lots of secular people shout a lot against Narendra Modi, they would also come to know that Modi is a Montessori student of the school, where theses scoundrels are headmasters!!! Please read "Non mulsims" in place of " Nit muslims" as written above. Blackrose wrote on 28 February, 2012
Khair@ Your verdict on people like Bigman is " Three strikes and then ban" sounds like instantaneous verbal triple talaque " Talaque-Talaque-Talaque" experienced by Muslim women and then throw out of the house!!!
Khair wrote on 28 February, 2012
@BLACKROSE, I was only being kind towards the the little man and his chamcha. Bigots like him and you should be banished on first offence. If you did this on any decent forum in the west you would be gone before you could even utter BIGROSE or BLACKMAN. You are able to continue such inflammatory activities because the authorities are probably a little bit dheela over there so you think you can get away with it, but mate don't bank on it. Under IPC you are indulging in a serious crime. Don't be surprised if you find yourself in strife one day.
Blackrose wrote on 28 February, 2012
Khair@ why are you using this type of threatening language? The news which I had quoted was published in the Bengali Statesman dated 25Th February 2012, Written By Basudev Dhar from Dhaka and was given in the editorial page.Every reader or subscriber of " Dainik Statesman" have read that news.Another news related to the trial of Some Bangaladeshi politicians which I had mentioned was published in the Bengali Statesman dated January 29.Being a Bengali,hope you would be able to manage those two copies of the Dainik Statesman.Please read those news and then come back. Deliberately I have not gone into the detailed translation of the news that was published on Sunday,January 29, because those details are awful.These news are available in public domain.If you have any problem regarding this, then you may speak to the Editor of the Dainik Statesman for publishing such inflammatory news.
However I strongly condemn the words used by Bigman above. I think that enough is written on this. Khair wrote on 29 February, 2012
@BLACKROSE, my comments were a response to your last post, not on your three posts before that which I thought were irrelevant in the context of this discussion, and not interesting or even informative.
On your last post above, I was simply trying to make you aware of the consequences of what you say. On Dainik Statesman, with all due respect I have not heard of that paper. Frankly, I rarely read any newspaper from the sub-continent as the standard of journalism, with a few exceptions, falls well below my expectations. And when it is reproduced in the manner that you did above, it becomes even worse. I suggest if you feel like taking something from another source it is better to simply copy and paste and put it within quotes; and of course you have to look at the relevance in which you quote it too so readers can see where you are coming from. RP_Singh wrote on 02 March, 2012
Dear mr.Khair, I was reading the regular exchanges (sometimes very amusing and sometimes obnoxious) between you and dannym, blackrose and bigman but found little to comment but this time I am compelled to comment on some factual ground than just my perception. I don't want to indulge in any debate about supremacy of religion and if you ask me I will however tell it is Hinduism because the sanatan dharma is the only secular and democratic religion as it does not have any word like "kafer" or concept like "baptisation" or 'conversion"/ But when you wrote, "If you did this on any decent forum in the west you would be gone before you could even utter BIGROSE or BLACKMAN" thsi I don't think you have a fair idea about the freedom of speech in West. Not long ago, one clergyman anounced a public burning of Koran and if I am not mistaken that was in US and the US government refused to issue even a warning forget prosecuting that fellow (contd...)
RP_Singh wrote on 02 March, 2012
... but good sense prevailed and that guy climbed down from his position and an unnecessary bloodshed and loss of innocent lives (NOT in US but in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan) were avoided. Although, all were not happy and few copies of Koran was burnt by some other group protesting the cancellation of the event as reported in press at that time.
So I think you please feel free to revise the over statement although don't take in any way I am supporting the views of dnannym, blackrose or bigman, I am just in support of free speech (without abusive comments). By The way, India does not have a blasphemy law and we should all know and respect it. Khair wrote on 03 March, 2012
@RP_SINGH, I think you have made an error in drawing the analogy with the Quran burning drama of pastor Jones. All western countries have laws against inflaming communal hatred but sometimes the boundaries between that and freedom of speech can be blurred and obnoxious elements like Jones try to take advantage. It is arguable his actions could be tested in Court for breach of communal harmony but lawyers are very smart there and possibly the pastor could get away on a technicality by arguing he was not speaking against a community but just a book.
Anyway, the point is, the three people you mentioned are regularly peddling inflammatory talk here against a certain community and occasionaly against another one too, based on their bigoted outlook obout others. In India the IPC is very clear about this. Anyone having any doubt should have a look at IPC Section 153A particularly clause (a) which clearly states "by words, either spoken or written ..." so no mitigation there if caught. Khair wrote on 03 March, 2012
@RP_SINGH, by the way, I had made some comments in COSMICBOMBER's blog "Dr. Terry Jones - The New American Hero".
I had provided an interesting link on what this bigot Jones had to say about other religions (including Hinduism) and about burning religious books of not just Islam but another major world religion too. Read here:- http://consumer.admanya.com/blog_dr_terry_jones_the_new_american_hero-1611.html Khair wrote on 03 March, 2012
@RP_SINGH, on the question of supremacy of religion that you raised, I have no interest in this topic nor had I ever canvassed this theme on this forum. I have no problem with people talking on this theme if it pleases them so long as they don't make bigoted comments about other religions.
RP_Singh wrote on 03 March, 2012
Mr. Khair, I read your comment, all I wanted to say is freedom of speech is always given primacy over anything else in western liberal democracies and so bigman, dannym and others would have been banned is not correct. But I personally do not support any article which is written in poor taste and purposefully positioned to spread hatred. Religious and social customs differ and ss always changing, who could have thought 100 years ago that Indian society will accept gay community? Also, we can't put a historical leader onto a public trial without any deep understanding of circumstances and facts that prevailed at that time. All we can say is under today's law this marriage would not have been possible in India and in the West and one should put a period there.
Khair wrote on 04 March, 2012
@RP_SINGH, I take your point but it is also true that in western countries there are checks too against abuse of freedom of speech. I might add that the culture is such that people do take it seriously, not only in terms of rights but also in terms of responsibility. Hence you don't see the abundance of irresponsible talk which is often the norm in many developing societies.
I am not suggesting that you don't hear inflammatory talk at all. Pastor Jones' actions are an example of how freedom of speech can be manipulated by people with evil intentions; but here too I'd like to point out, there are balancing features in the system and culture that ensures things generally don't go out of hand. Many who opposed Jones were not supporters of Islam or Muslims but felt his behaviour was harmful and an abuse of freedom so they opposed it vehemently. I am sure most decent forums in the west would not allow the unbridled muck thrown by BIGMAN, DANNYM and BLACKROSE pretty regularly. Khair wrote on 04 March, 2012
@RP_SINGH, you hit the nail on the head with your observation "religious and social customs differ and is always changing". Change has affected all the religions and all societies in the world. Some faiths/societies are trying to hold on to the past in the flawed belief that past is puritan; the Amish and Mennonites are couple of examples. Amongst Muslims, the 'salafis' are a tiny minority group who would like to live in the past believing that would ensure piety. All these groups suffer constant conflict and contradictions and occasionally have to make compromises in their beliefs.
The mainstream however is ever-changing. One of the few certainties in this uncertain world of today are death and change. Although I don't think Indian society or for that matter, even most western societies, is "accepting" gay community, but that is an argument for another day. The point to note is, we must not judge persons in the past with the norms and standards of today. Vani wrote on 04 March, 2012
Khair, you summed it up very nicely, the problem with bigman, dannym, blackrose are that they are caught up in a time warp and are struggling to come with terms of modern realities. They are misquoting religion in support of their baseless claims and personal likings. dannym wants women to have no life of her own other than serving her husband, he is just a little mentally sick, I am sorry to say and he should seek professional advise. Bigman finds everything that Muslims do anywhere in the world is bad but may be who knows he personally imitates the same crime that many muslim/hiindu/christian criminals are doing. It is so easy to criticize others and target a community. Does not he see any thing wrong with Hindus? Then why he does not write a blog about that too?
Blackrose wrote on 05 March, 2012
RP@ Your comments are thought provoking and highly logical.Yes the terms like " Kafir" or practices like " Conversion" are not in the Hindu religion. But you are exposing yourself to a risk may be on tomorrow Mr Khair would come out with some legal threatening to you if you speak of this truth.Some people can not digest truth. At first they start with argument and if do not succeed then they start threatening.In admanya itself one of the " self proclaimed prudent" bloggers had used some derogatory remarks against Mr Narendra Modi who is a democratically elected administrator heading a state in India.His remarks were not neutral, but highly communal, as he thinks that Modi was responsible for Godhra riot,though which was never proved in any court of law. We would also have to see whether expressing this type of remarks in public involving a public figure are pardoned in the west/ practiced in the west or above the law in India.
cosmicbomber wrote on 05 March, 2012
@ Khair, can I put forward my candid observation in this forum? Though you are proclaiming to be a liberal but I think you still have a fundamental side somewheer obscure in you because you are keeping on replying and discussing the perpetual nonsense that some members are writing here. I feel you could have ignored them, for example like maaz nawaz who is not beating the drum of being liberal or influenced by western values but have managed to keep a distance from semi slanderous writings. I have also expressed my opposition to some writing of bigman, dannym and blackrose but I don't see I am obliged to discuss only the same thing again and again. I have hardly seen you have commented and expressed your views on anything other than religious articles, why?
cosmicbomber wrote on 05 March, 2012
It will be nice to read some of your personal experiences and insights of Aussie society in the down under from the eyes of a Bengali! Are you a fan of Kylie Minougue by the way?
Blackrose wrote on 05 March, 2012
CB@ Do you want to mean that Khair is pretending to be "liberal "by face and actually a " fundamentalist" by heart? A " Hypocrite"?We were surprised to know that he has never heard of "Statesman" which is a 100 year old newspaper in India, but he knows of " Sonagachi" which is a " red light area" in Kolkata.
cosmicbomber wrote on 05 March, 2012
@ blackrose, at least u can't be a judge, your record is too tainted for that.
Blackrose wrote on 06 March, 2012
CB@ Good balancing act to show that you are a neutral and popular blogger! You remind me of a very popular " Baul" song , made famous by Purna Das Baul. It says
" Ami randhibo, barebo, banjono, batebo ....Kintu hari to chobo na" That means, I will prepare the ingredients, cook the food, serve the food but would not touch the pot where the food is cooked and kept !!! Are you scared of legal threatening of Khair, which he is issuing now a days rampantly ??? Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@COSMICBOMBER, your post is quite confusing, contradictory and patronizing.
You said "Though you are proclaiming to be a liberal but I think you still have a fundamental side somewheer obscure in you ..." reply: Now that you have completed the assessment on me, can you start working on yourself and tell us which of YOUR side you have shown in this nonsensical statement of yours? You said: "you could have ignored them ..." reply: You too could have done the same then; practice what you preach they say; "could have" goes together with "could not have"; it is up to the individual. If you don't like my style you don't have to adopt it. you said: "for example like maaz nawaz who is not beating the drum of being liberal or influenced by western values ..." reply: with due respect to MAAZ NAWAZ I don't think even he projects himself as a model to be followed on Admanya. However no one is stopping you if you like to follow him, but don't try imposing it on others. more .. Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
contd ..
@COSMICBOMBER Your suggestion that I proclaimed myself as liberal is untrue. I challenge you to show me where I made this proclamation. you said: " I don't see I am obliged to discuss only the same thing again and again ..." reply: that is your wish and I don't see anyone criticising you for that you said: "I have hardly seen you have commented and expressed your views on anything other than religious articles ..." reply: You must have a badly flawed perception if that is what you saw. In case you missed it, let me point out that I have not engaged in any theological debate here. I stepped in whenever I saw people making bigoted comments targetting other groups. But, let's suppose for a moment that what is say were true, that I am not expressing my views on anything other than religioun, may I ask what is YOUR problem with that? You know very well it is not true because my comments on Hina Rabbani on YOUR blog had nothing to do with religion. Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@BLACKROSE, I don't think COSMICBOMBER needs translation seeing that he is from Calcutta.
If you believe he was doing a balancing act then he should be commended and not condemned for that. I happen to think it was more to do with trying to shut me up. Btw, the same baul song could be used to illustrate what you have been doing here but I don't think you would like to hear how that might be. cosmicbomber wrote on 06 March, 2012
@ Khair - so where you stand? Liberal or not liberal? Ok I accept your comment on Hina Rabbani was not a religious one but it was moral question. But it is true that you are adding fuel to the religious debates as mush as blackrose, dannym and jam_ali. It was a suggestion that you might change the topic as there are many interesting things happening in he down under.
@ Blackrose - Sonagachi is no lees famous than The Statesman, actually Statesman has lost its glory but Sonagachi is still the leading red light area of Asia although it may not have the variety like Amsterdam or KabuKicho. It is not possible for any person to know each and every thing. @ Khair - How is the adult scene in Australia? Is it a liberal atmosphere? Ot do they also ban the Aussie version of Savita Bhabi by an act of parliament? Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@BLACKROSE, if you mention Sonagachi you should also tell us in what context it came up just so people don't get the wrong idea.
Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@COSMICBOMBER, I know of Kylie Minougue but I don't quite follow her. My tastes are a little bit old-fashioned in music - country and love songs like Don Williams, Slim Dusty, Jonny Cash, Ronny Milsap, etc. Also ghazals like Mehdi Hassan, Anup Jalota, etc. In Bengali Feroza Begum, Hemanta Mukherjee, Shagor Sen; in modern songs Habib Wahid definitely. There you have it! Nothing exciting!
Blackrose wrote on 06 March, 2012
Khair@ Don't you read my profile? I am a poet and have done research on Bouls and take special interest in folk songs. It seems that you are only interested to participating in religion related debates and want to prove that everybody excluding you is a bigot.You donot have any interest in other things.
Regarding your next comment, there was a typographical error , which I had committed, knowing that it was a typographical error, still you deliberately gave this a spin and took the subject matter elsewhere and mentioned us about Sonagachi.Hope now people would get correct idea about the context. CB@ I fully agree with you. Some people know those things which attract them..... Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@COSMICBOMBER, liberal or not liberal? hmmm ... I don't think people should put a label on themselves. People will judge and make up their own minds about whether the other person is liberal or not based on their position on an issue.
On some matters people would take me as liberal and on some other matters not liberal at all, you know what I mean? I am not quite up to date with the adult scene here, but to answer your question, banning is usually not the norm here in parliament. The aim usually is to forumulate legislation in Parliament giving incentives or disincentives for various actions. For example, recently the NSW Parliament passed legislation whereby if a woman refuses to show her face for identification purposes she would be fined something like $200 - a disincentive to hide one's face. Blackrose wrote on 06 March, 2012
Khair why have you left the great Debobrata Biswas ? I think that he is the best male Rabindra sangeet singer, where as Konica Bandopadhya is the best female Rabindra sangeet singer. How can we ignore Manobendra Mukhopadhya and Satinath Mukhopadhya?
Songs like " Ami eto je tomai bhalo besechi" (how much I have loved you) of Manobendra or " Jeebane jodi deep jalate nahiparo, samadhi pare deep jeledeo"( If you can not light a candle in my life then please light the same on my grave" of Satinath are great songs by any standard. OR how can we ignore the great Sachin Dev Burman? I very much like Feeroza Begum's songs and Talat Mahamud was also a master. He had the sweetest of voices, a god gifted one. Lots of names.. Shayamal Mitra " Jeeban khatar prote patai, jatoi karo hesab nekash kechui robe na..." all great songs.Or Sandhya Mukhopadhya's" ea sudhu ganer din, e logon gan sonabar"( Today is a day of music, this moment is for music.." Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@BLACKROSE, I had read your profile although I didn't realise it was an offence not to. So you are a poet? Thank you. What do I have to do?
Your observation about my interest is not correct as I have explained above. I NEVER attack another person or group based on their religion, race, gender, ethnic group, or physical handicap, so no one can blame me of being a bigot. You, on the other hand, know what you have been doing and everyone who is here knows it too, because the evidence is only a few upward scrolls away. Glad that you cleared up the reference to Sonagachi which came about as a consequence of your typo on "teat" Khair wrote on 06 March, 2012
@BLACKROSE, all those names also deserve to be on the list. I was only giving a brief list. I would add Kishore Kumar (nishi tey zaio phulo boney ray bhomra) and Muhammed Rafi and Bappi Lahiri (dekha hai meney tumhey phir se palat key) and Mukesh and soooooo many others.
Blackrose wrote on 06 March, 2012
Khair@ Thanks for your self declaration on what you think do an don't do.
bigman wrote on 08 March, 2012
Every religion in the world offers salvation to its followers. But Muhammad went a little too far by offering permanent erection to men and a good supply of ever-green virgins for his true followers. Is it Islamic heaven or a whore house? Muhamad doesn't even qualify to be a normal sane person in modern times, let alone being a prophet. Only criminals like Osama can be followers of such an evil religion. And the notion of " My name is khan and I am not a terrorist " is like saying " I am a peaceful member of a mafia gang ". It's wake up time for idiots.
Khair wrote on 08 March, 2012
@Here we go again! The little scum called BIGMAN has emerged from his hideout again to pollute this space with his bigotry.
Let us talk about what you qualify as little BIGMAN! While you are on the subject of what criminals follow, tell us what a criminal such as you is a follower of! You may wish to answer with the name of a religion, but I think those who have seen your words here know only too well that you are actually a follower of bigotry. Khair wrote on 08 March, 2012
@VANI, you are the most perceptive here. I always believe if more women came forward with their voices and we men listened a little more to them the world would be an infinitely better place. Thanks for your observations. Sadly though, I think they will go over his head.
Jam_Ali wrote on 08 March, 2012
Brother Khair, may I remind you that you attacked me for following the path of my holy religion and now you are getting paid back in your own coin and you are defenseless.
Jam_Ali wrote on 08 March, 2012
You are enjoying the viceful atmosphere of Sydney and what you expect from the Hindu fundamentalists here that they will praise Islam? Bigman, your comrades and even the most anti Islam blogger cosmmicbomber and Mr. R. P. Singh has deserted you and you are friendless my dear friend. What are your sadhus and monks doing in your state of karanataka? They (have you heard of Nityananda who wears saffron robe??) are signing bonds from women disciples for free sex and you are not ashamed to rake up such stupid things, it shows how dumbhead are you. Do you know the story of Krishna? Draupadi? Or now you will say that they are just figment of erotic imagination! You are supplying me with enough ammunition but when we submit to Allah we don't need to stoop so low like you. The world knows of satis, devadasis and draupadis and they tell what is the real stature of women in Hindu society and culture.
Jam_Ali wrote on 08 March, 2012
@ Bigman, shame that you are so ignorant about your own religion and jealous about. Ask anybody who has studied Hindu books and there are also a good "bandobast" of eternally dancing maids the only difference is you offer them on sharing basis like Draupadi. Ami i right mr. dannym?
Khair wrote on 09 March, 2012
Not at all, brother JAM ALI, you were not following the path of ANY holy religion, let alone that of Islam. I attacked you for bigotry. Your statements were bigoted, not much different from that of those you pretend to be against. Who is defenceless here? Show me one person who has something good to say about you and your bigoted talk!
How do you know that the atmosphere of Sydney is 'viceful'? Where is your evidence that anyone living in Sydney is leading a 'viceful' life? And how can you say anyone living in Bhilai, wherever that is, is not leading a 'viceful' life? Has God given us any instructions about that or is it another thing you are making up? Let me quote from the great poet Iqbal : masjid to bana li dum bhar mey imaan ki hararat walo ney man apna purana papi hai barso mein namazi bun na saka Look at your heart first, and your 'akhlaq', my friend, before you make judgements about others based on superficial things! It is a 'purana papi'. Blackrose wrote on 09 March, 2012
Khair@ Can we repeat your statement dated march 8 ,but replacing the name "BIGMAN" with"JAM ALI"? That is "The little scum called JAM ALI has emerged from his hideout again to pollute this space with his bigotry".
Blackrose wrote on 09 March, 2012
Jam@ Let us hear the story of Krishna and Droupadi from you at first. Let us know what do you know of them, then I will give you an answer.Do you know the meaning of "Sati"? But please don't vomit the lectures of your moulavis on these subjects.
One thing which is remarkable is that usually you surface up from your hideout on Fridays with lots of venum.But this time one day in advance. May we know the reason? Don't be very happy on the role of CB and RP. They had also gave you solid bashing in this forum for your reckless and idiotic comments. I detest the remarks of yours and Bigman. We should not cross the limit of decency.In the long run, illogical remarks don't make any sense. Blackrose wrote on 09 March, 2012
Jam@ may we know what is the meaning of the term" Hindu books?"How many " Hindu Books" have you read in your life? It is your turn to prove to Khair that you are not leading a life full of vices as you live in Bhilai!!!
Blackrose wrote on 09 March, 2012
Bigman@ Please don't write such comments which are of very poor test.Don't instigate others to write ill about your religion. That will amount to mud slinging only and would not take us anywhere. " Sanatan Dharma" is liberal,broad,vast and devoid of any narrow views that is why it has survived though it had suffered the most in the hands of other semitic religions.We should devote more time in reading and practicing various lessons as narrated in our " Shruti" and " smiriti" shastras to make our life much enriched rather that criticizing others, which would not make our life better.Don't attack others, but if attacked, at first protest and then defend yourself with all your strengths.
cosmicbomber wrote on 09 March, 2012
@ jam_ali, I am amused that you called me anti-Islamic, don't knwo how you got that clue... on teh other hand some other bloggers have also called me anti-Hindu, actually I am anti-hypocrisy. By the way, much before you wrote your blog on Haramic effect of Coca Cola, I wrote a treatise on Halal and Haram after a lot of research. Does not that sound pro-Islamic to you? If you read by blogs, you will see that I have criticized both Islam and Hinduism when I find certain aspects of these two religions unacceptable to modern society.
Blackrose wrote on 09 March, 2012
CB@ Some people say that you are anti-Hindu, some say that you are anti-Islam. Them may I be permitted to draw the following conclusion?
CB should be a communist!!!!! Jam_Ali wrote on 11 March, 2012
Brother Khair, I have not told you that you are engaging in vices as I don't have any clue and I will tend to believe that being a Muslim you will detest any kind of vices but don't you think the atmosphere of Sydney is viceful with its abundance of alcohol, strip tease, pole dance and sex trade? I am astonished!
Blackrose wrote on 12 March, 2012
Khair@ I fully agree with Jam Ali this time, though most of the times he talks without sense. Let me explain why I agree with Jam in this context.
Association of a person with others create a deep impact on his spiritual life, which is irrespective of the religion he / she practices. It is said, that if you you seat, sleep, eat with other people in the same place, then their good or bad qualities( vices or virtues)will get transmitted to you. That is why most of the religious Hindus who aspire for a spiritual life, never eat with others or usually avoid people with bad nature or avoid the people whom he does not know personally.According to Hindu shastras there are three type of people, Swtyik, Rajoshik and Tamoshik.Swatyk people are full of knowledge, lead a descent life, always think for well being of others, not harmful, very calm and quite. The Rajoshik people restless, always active, very aggressive, are.. cont.. Blackrose wrote on 12 March, 2012
contd..exhibit power, where as the people with" tamoshik" category are lazy, dull, inactive, always negative and never think good of others. According to Hindu philosophy, there is a white aura around swatik peopl, reddish aura around Rajoshik people and Black aura around Tamoshik people. Which can not be seen in naked eyes by an ordinary person, but a spiritually strong person can see and feel and in a crowd, they may distinguish this three types. Now if a person with Light white aura ( slightly Swatik) comes in contact with person with Black aura( highly Tamoshik) they his Swatikness might get covered up by Tamoshik nature and he might get influenced by them. The revers is also true. Why do we prefer the company of a spiritual man? Why do we feel comfortable with them? Because their Swatikness create greater impact on us and Make us better human being.
In Hinduism, any food is not broadly divided into veg and non veg, but Swatik, Rajoshik and Tamoshik. These types of foods ...cont Blackrose wrote on 12 March, 2012
cont..are responsible for development of the above mentioned three qualities. Hence Jam is correct in to some aspect.He had rightly mentioned about the " atmosphere". The atmosphere might have impact on your spiritual life.May be you are trying to segregate yourself but it is not possible to get isolated completely. This is like getting exposed to nuclear radiations. Immediately we may not feel, but in the long run, it hampers us and causes irrecoverable damages.
Khair wrote on 12 March, 2012
@JAM ALI, you said to me on 8 March "You are enjoying the viceful atmosphere of Sydney ..." (see above). Now you are saying to me "I have not told you that you are engaging in vices ..." (see above). So which one is true? Does your version of Islam tell you also to twist the truth at your convenience, in addition to constantly engaging in bigotry?
All those vices that you mention about Sydney are no less available in many parts of India so can I assume you are prone to the same vice? What is your point? Jam_Ali wrote on 16 March, 2012
Brother Khair, I earnestly believe that you are a pious Muslim and will never do the wrongful sin even if you are living in the cradle of vices. Yes, you are right when you said that they are available in India, in fact we Indians influenced by Hindu inclusive culture is proud to have the world's largest prostitution network namely Bollywood. This is just not my imagination, the recent report of Sunday Times has vindicated my stand as it revealed how Bollywood actresses are used as honeytraps to lure immoral cricketers and corrupt the lives of many people. Do you support strip tease, lap dance, pole dance or flesh trading? If they are available in some clandestine way in India does it lend support to have it in a "wholesale way" in Sydney? Does it not make the environment viceful?
Brother Khair, it is time Muslims should unite and defend all attacks with our head held high as we do not have anything to fear. We submit to only Allah and to nobody else. Allahu Akbar! Blackrose wrote on 16 March, 2012
jam@ Why are you so much defensive against Khair after receiving a solid bash from him? What made you believe that Khair will not do any wrongful sin? Or are you eager to display universal muslim brotherhood? If you are having so much problem with the Hindu influence then why are not you leaving India and take citizenship in any Muslim country?People like you have never contributed towards growth of this country, only criticized. When Pakistan was created, why did not your fore fathers choose Pakistan as their home lands? had they done this, this would have solved all the problems of people like you and you could have lived under 100% pure muslim influence.
I think that you have had a solid post Nawaj briefing on this Jumba day which you are downloading vigorously! Blackrose wrote on 16 March, 2012
Jam@ Most of the times Bollywood is funded from middle east and one of the famous" Bhi"s used to pump fund and entertain people during one day matches at Sharja.Hence can we say that this prostitution culture of bollywood is funded from middle east?
Jam_Ali wrote on 16 March, 2012
@ BR, that is good that you are admitting you don't have any scruple and when the Sheikhs pay you by petro dollar you can go against your culture and religion, What a great confession finally!
Jam_Ali wrote on 16 March, 2012
@ BR, divide and rule policy does not work with always, try something else.
Khair wrote on 16 March, 2012
@JAM ALI, I note that you have nothing to say about my exposing your lie. I had basically pulled out two absolutely contradictory things you had said about me. The proof is right up there. The least you could have done is said sorry for lying.
If you wish to follow the tenets of Islam you should be looking at yourself first instead of judging others with your own fancies. Whether I am living in the cradle of vices or you are only God knows. Such personal things should not be brought up in such a discussion. It only shows your inability to argue your point of view when you abandon the discussion and engage in personal attack. You may hate India but you don't realise you exhibit a lot of the features of human behaviour common in that part of the world. You and BLACKROSE are mud slinging each other's faiths and what we are seeing is the ignorance you both demonstrate in abundance. You two are so much like each other. more ... Khair wrote on 16 March, 2012
from previous ...
The other thing people like you and BLACKROSE have in common is the bigotry that makes you point to Hindus for all your imagined problems, and for him to point to Muslims for all his imagined problems. Both are rooted in bigotry which is fed by deep seated ignorance and hatred. In his case I doubt whether he knows much about Hinduism but that is for others to say; what I can see is his profound ignorance about Islam. For someone who wants to talk a lot about it one woudl expect him to get some basic information right at least; and his thoughts seem to be fed continuously by bigots around him. You JAM ALI too don't seem to know much about Hinduism other than what you see with your bigoted eyes around you; and you definitely don't know much about Islam except some things you may have parotted at some point in your life. I am sorry I think it would be wrong of Muslims to unite with bigots like you who can only do harm for Islam and Muslims. Khair wrote on 16 March, 2012
And what is this "Newaj" that BLACKROSE keeps talking about? I had seen him using it on other posts too and asked him the question but he does not want to answer.
Is this another figment of his imagination about Islam I ask again? 
About this Blogger
Subscribe to bigman's blogs You can stay up to date with bigman's blogs via these feeds. bigman's blogs Feed (RSS) Latest Blog Posts Washington Post Slams Mamata Banerjee Ban IPL Tournament to save Cricket: Dr. Subramanian Swamy Let's Create What We Want In Our Life The Taj Mahal and Amber Fort - Two Must Watch Heritage site in North India Latest Blogs by bigman Egypt plans farewell intercourse law so husbands can have sex with dead wives Imam arrested for 'raping' 8-year-old Court orders Google and Facebook to remove all anti Islamic content Muslim millitants cut nursing woman's breast, asked others to eat pieces Hot Blogs by bigman Muslims call it marriage. I call it rape Muslim millitants cut nursing woman's breast, asked others to eat pieces |
